that's what i mean...it's tricky.....it is an an actual application ....that uses ie as a 'canvas'...you can do wicked things with it...administrative stuff on server 2003 for example...btw...it DOES NOT use the ie as far as security restraints....making it extremely versatile/powerful...and of course...dangerous...it would be nice to have its own place...but it is a hybrid...html and application....but i can certainly get the ball rolling with stuff i created...guess wait and see other comments